The Senate testimony from the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured put it rather bluntly:
"Medicare was enacted because the private health insurance market did not work for the elderly."Where the private market does "work", it suffers from
"high administrative costs, unaffordable premiums, exclusion based on health status, and complexity and lack of comparability across plans".But that can't be true, because it would contradict the infallible dogma that free markets are a cure-all for everything. Reading on, we find that the current Medicare and Medicaid programs are not exactly free rides:
"Medicaid’s strict eligibility rules require people who need long-term care to spend-down all of their assets and contribute nearly all of their income to the cost of care ... [they must] contribute their entire income, including pension and social security payments (except for a small personal needs allowance) to the cost of care. Others with modest savings above Medicaid’s resource thresholds must spend down their available assets before they can qualify for assistance."In other words, Medicaid doesn't even try to prevent you from being financially ruined by health misfortune. Medicaid just helps you survive, after you're ruined.
There are 45.7 million people without health insurance in the U.S. (2007 Census ). That's about 15% of our population. In all other wealthy nations, it's zero. Of those uninsured, 79% are U.S. citizens. The other 21% are immigrants, both legal and illegal. Furthermore:
"Non-citizens have less access to employer coverage because they are more likely to have low-wage jobs and work for firms that do not offer coverage. At the same time, they are often restricted from public coverage." (Kaiser Family Foundation key facts, and FactChek.org )According to FactChek.org, citing the Kaiser study:
"What else can we say about the uninsured? More than 80 percent are from families in which at least one person works ... two thirds are near or below the poverty line ... nearly half are below the age of 30 ... whites make up two thirds of the population but less than half of the uninsured ...."According to a 2004 report by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies of Science:
"Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. Although America leads the world in spending on health care, it is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage."18,000 unnecessary deaths every year. In the richest nation on Earth. According to liberal "scientists" and their "facts", anyway.
Now, let's assume the Old Man is right in claiming that 60% of the uninsured are eligible for “government health insurance (Medicaid and state programs)”, but they simply aren't signing up. Something's fishy here. Being eligible for Medicaid currently means going utterly broke beforehand (see above). It's hard to believe people would pay all of their income, sell their house, spend their savings, qualify for Medicaid—and then forget to enroll. Perhaps many of them have Alzheimer's. At any rate, here's one possible solution, and this goes for the “state programs” as well: just enroll uninsured people automatically.
Reviewing data from the World Health Organization, there are three salient facts about health care in the U.S., compared to other wealthy nations (and many not-so-wealthy nations):
- We have a more privatized system
- We spend more on drugs and insurance
- We get worse care
Sweden is not a unique case. The same trend plays out if you look at the data for Germany, France, Australia, Canada, Luxembourg, the UK, and so on. (There is one interesting exception where we are not only better-than-average, but ranked first place: system responsiveness.) We're more private, we spend more, we get worse care, we're more dissatisfied, even though we are the richest and most powerful nation in the history of our species. Other than that, we have a great system.
The Old Man claims Medicare and Medicaid cost more than private insurance, running “$9,600 per patient compared to approximately $7,100 per patient for private insurance”. That's an interesting statistic. (By the way, what's the source? And does the $7,100 per patient include out-of-pocket expenses, or just the cost of the insurance plan itself?)
Several key facts may account for this difference. Private insurance covers people in general. Medicare/Medicaid, on the other hand, is designed to cover the most expensive forms of health care. A for-profit insurance company, by nature, is designed to avoid covering the most expensive (and least profitable) forms of health care. This includes long-term care for the elderly and disabled, and people with chronic illnesses. Long-term care cost $178 billion in 2006 (according to the Kaiser study), of which 63% was paid by Medicare/Medicaid, 22% was out-of-pocket, and only 9% was contributed by private insurance (Kaiser study). Mission accomplished! Yep, we already have a big government health care program, alright. Its purpose is to make people with money, who are middle-aged and healthy, pay into the profits of the private system for care they won't get when they need it most, AND foot the bill for the chronically ill, the poor and the old, because the private system (by design) does not "work" for those people.
Speaking of profits, check out the Fortune 500 on the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Profit has made up 25% of sales revenue for decades in the top pharmaceutical companies. By my estimate, the top 10 companies in pharmaceuticals, and the top 10 health insurers (United Health Group, Wellpoint, Aetna, etc.) made combined profits of fifty billion dollars in 2007 alone. That's one of many costs of a private health care system: we pay for the care, plus fifty billion extra. Each year.
And here's another cost of our private system: lobbyists. About one-quarter of health industry expenses go to funding thousands (literally) of lobbyists in Washington; political campaign contributions; and media campaigns. All to prevent the democratic majority of us from reforming the system. That's according to the former head of corporate communications at CIGNA. (Watch the interview from a few weeks ago. Interestingly, he mentions the tactic of focusing public attention on Michael Moore, instead of real issues.)
The drug companies are not far behind, with an army of 3,000 lobbyists and cash to match, according to the Center for Public Integrity . But lobbyists aren't the industry's biggest expense. Neither is actual drug research and development. No, their biggest expense, by a hefty margin, is not R&D for the next miracle pill, but marketing. To the tune of billions of dollars each year. (How much did that wasteful, inefficient government enterprise, the Human Genome Project, spend on marketing?) This may seem inefficient and wasteful, until we realize that the word "efficiency" really means efficiency in creating profits. In fact, the most profitable drug companies (Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, and GlaxoSmithKline) seem to have the biggest marketing/research expenditure ratios. Don't get me wrong--I'm not against people making profits. But when it comes to health care, there are collective and ethical considerations, and our private system doesn't seem to work. Allowing companies to market prescription drugs in TV commercials may fit with the conservative free-market paradigm, but maybe that's one bit of liberal regulation we were better off having.
For at least ten (and I believe twenty) years, polls have shown a solid majority of Americans have said it is the federal government's responsibility (in other words, our collective responsibility) to make sure everyone has health coverage, as is the case in all other wealthy nations. Just like food, shelter, and an education. And they have been saying for years that they want the government to expand its involvement. In fact, I could have sworn the Old Man told me he favored expanding Medicaid....at any rate, the pharmaceutical and health care industries have been blocking democracy for many years, and it continues to this day.
First of all, you're missing a big point. Not because you rushed through it, but because for some reason you refuse to believe you can agree with your poor father and I on this issue, and so I think your brain automatically blocks some things out. All joking aside, here's what you missed: Nobody thinks the private healthcare system is perfect.
ReplyDeleteI know, its a shocker. You might want to sit down for this next one. Nobody thinks we should abolish Medicare and Medicaid. Okay, that's probably enough for now. Let's just try and elaborate on these two very important points that you seem to have missed.
So here we go. Your dad never said that the private system was perfect. He only said that a government system would be worse. How does he think he knows it would be worse? Because he uses the current government system as an example of how the new government system would be managed and executed. Doesn't that make sense?
Secondly, while the free market is great for determining the price of guns and butter, anyone in their right mind will agree that there are ethical concerns involved with healthcare that make it a little different than the average product. That's why nobody in their right mind would agree that American citizens who legitimately cannot afford to pay for private health insurance for one reason or another should be left out in the rain. Those people should be covered by some sort of government program.
This brings me to my next point. The government does have a place in the healthcare industry. They are perfect for taking care of those few people who are legitimately uninsured. Right now, we do it with Medicare and Medicaid, but unfortunately those two organizations are the biggest jokes on the block. It's a great idea, but there needs to be serious reform. Before the government should worry about an entirely nationalized system, they should reform the systems they already have. If anything, to prove to the country that they are competent with healthcare. Think of it as a test-run. More likely, with a government program such as Medicare or Medicaid that actually does what it claims to do, we might find that our need for a nationalized plan is not so dire after all.
So anyway, what's different about these awesome countries in Europe that have sweet healthcare? "Nothing" is not the right answer. I'm really happy for Europe that they are happy when it comes to their health, but they have a different culture and a different way of running their governments than we do here in America. Even though they might hate paying for it, Americans have become accustomed to a certain quality of care that won't be available with a nationalized system. There's a lot of things about Europe that seem fun and great on the outside--like the quaint little shops--but think about it: Do you really want to live without Wal*Mart?
Healthcare costs can be astronomical, especially for those of retirement age. And upon retiring, you’ll face not having employer-provided health coverage and suddenly be relying on Medicare, which doesn’t cover everything.
ReplyDeleteMany Americans must navigate COBRA benefit rules and regulations following job losses or retirement. COBRA benefits allow former employer-based group health insurance coverage to be retained for several months following job separation. But the benefits are expensive as the employer no longer pays any portion of the premium, and it can also be very difficult to keep.
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Some good comments. Several thoughts on them:
ReplyDelete> Have you noticed that most of the criticism is aimed at Medicare, Medicaid and lapses between private insurance coverage? So...let me understand...the government health insurance programs don't work so well, so let's get that same government to overhaul the private system.
>Medicaid doesn't just insure the destitute, but (I believe) goes up to 1.33 times the poverty level, which would cover a family earning about $27,000 per year. If it's mostly a cost issue...expand the income range of medicaid to two times the poverty level.
>The reason most of the people who don't enroll for Medicaid do not, is because they do not know about (and/or state programs) or how to enroll. We need an out reach program.
>Good points about COBRA, Julie. But again, if it's confusing...guess who wrote those rules? Yep, you got it....that same government that's going to save us. As for the expense...have the government subsidize COBRA payments for the unemployed (they pay unemployment). But these are easy solutions that could quickly improve the existing system and would not achieve the government's real objective...to slowly take over hundreds of billions of dollars of the health industry and gain a little more control of people's lives.
>Abby...can you try to get Dr. Kiley's opinion on here?
>Eric...be careful...that Abby has a habit of thinking for herself (which I wish more people would do), and she's not unarmed.
The Old Man
When it comes to brain power, Abby is armed to the teeth. But I think she momentarily ran low on ammo when writing that last comment. ;)
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I think we agree we should expand Medicare/Medicaid. We agree on an outreach program. But do the health industry, the Republican party, and the "blue dog" Democrats (i.e. the ones who receive a lot of money from the health industry) agree?
About government health insurance...who says government insurance programs don't work so well? They out-perform private insurance in many countries. Medicare and Medicaid actually function to provide care where it is most needed, and private insurance does not.
Now, these programs could do more for more people, but it would require a series of steps, each of which is opposed by so-called conservative Republicans and "blue dog" Democrats. The public programs could do more if they were expanded or included as part of public insurance. This is opposed because it expands government and spending. The short-term increase in government cost would be affordable--as it is in many countries, including some with 1/100th of our GDP and an HIV/AIDS epidemic--if we weren't already wasting so much money supporting a massive, complex, private insurance bureaucracy that doesn't deliver. We could avoid that waste by having single-payer, or a public option. Conservatives oppose this, too. Drugs would cost less, if we leveraged our collective buying power as consumers to negotiate lower prices. Again, conservatives oppose it.
Not all "conservatives" oppose these measures, of course--just the most prominent ones. They observe the failures of our private system and then blame the limited public programs for not fixing everything; then they oppose anything that would enable the public system to do more.
It reminds me of an Arab saying: "He beats me and cries, takes me to court and sues me."
But certainly many average conservatives do support these reasonable proposals. The majority of Americans have supported them for many years. But they have been fought by industry lobbyists--to this day.
So is "government" the problem, or is "private health industry's anti-democratic influence over government" the problem? It seems to me that would be like saying "police" is the problem, when the mafia bribes police officers and prevents the police from serving public interests (if you'll forgive some exaggeration). Then the mafia launches a PR campaign to give us nightmares about "big police" controlling our lives. A fair concern, but laughable in light of the source.
Abby,
ReplyDeleteYou say "Americans have become accustomed to a certain quality of care that won't be available with a nationalized system." But most Americans get a lower quality of care than people get in more "nationalized" (if you like) systems. And most Americans want such a system, or something like it, with universal coverage.
Eric,
ReplyDeleteI feel like you're comparing apples and oranges. I think it's wonderful that citizens of other countries have found satisfaction with their public healthcare systems, but Americans come from a very different culture, with very different needs. Many Americans do want a socialized system, it is true, but most of them don't know what that means, and don't understand how it will be different from the current system. Does a nationalized system mean they can get the same quality of care as they do with the private system, only it's free? Uh, haha, no.
Here's an interesting thought: How many of the dissatisfied Americans crying out for public healthcare will actually be contributing to the burden of paying for it? I'll bet it's not many. Don't get me wrong--I think every American citizen should have access to healthcare, regardless of wealth. I just don't think other people should have to pay for it, because it's going to be a very expensive program.
Now, if you want to talk tax rebates for families that elect to purchase private insurance, that would be something, but nobody's brought that to the table.
That's why this issue is going to take a lot of compromise. Yes, we have citizens without healthcare, and that's a liability in many respects. Is creating a brand new, expensive, nationwide program the best way to solve that problem? Probably not. If the government wants to help, they should start by fixing the programs they already have, and prove to the country that they can handle healthcare on a smaller scale.
Abby,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, public insurance would not be free. The point is that it would cost less than private insurance. And all Americans -- including the poor -- would have basic health coverage (which in my opinion is a human right, in societies with the wealth to provide it, just like food, shelter, and an education). And MOST Americans would get better quality care because affordable/preventative care is better than unaffordable/emergency care, even if the latter is top-notch. For those who want more (say they want breast implants not covered by public insurance) they could buy a supplementary private plan, or pay out-of-pocket, like they already do.
Do you really oppose even the option of public insurance?
You mention tax rebates for families that elect to purchase private insurance. (Of course in our current system, that simply means "electing" to have insurance at all, and some people simply cannot afford it). Australia tried something similar for years, it didn't work. We would be embracing more government spending, the main disadvantage of a public system, without fixing anything about our broken private-only system.
Private insurers and "conservatives" would love this kind of massive intervention in free markets, of course, because taxpayers would be paying mostly to increase profits. Then, when government spending reaches new heights and little improves, the insurance industry and "conservatives" will call it a failed public health program and say 'I told you so'.
In fact, I'm worried that is how the current reform package will end up, if it is loaded with private subsidies and does not include at least a public option.
As for "fixing" the limited programs we already have...in the comment above I speculated on a series of steps we could take.
First, kudos to Abby. Thank you for showing that there is indeed hope for the next generation.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Freyguy, I agree that our current health care system has problems. But comparisons to Sweden prove what? I would expect that a Swedish population that has less obesity and gets more exercise would have better health outcomes at lower costs even if the systems were identical. And by the way, there is a proposal (as part of health care ‘reform’) that money go toward creating more playgrounds is truly ironic. This coming from the party that is largely paid for by trial lawyers even as municipalities shut down playgrounds and swimming pools because of fear of lawsuits. Amazingly tort reform is nowhere to be seen in the health care proposals.
No one actually claims that the marketplace is perfect (see Abby’s comments), only preferable. I also do not want to ‘role the dice’ on healthcare like Barney Frank insisted we do with Fannie and Freddie. The economy is too fragile to risk a bad roll. I say this even though I know that the party in power is run by people who are always making the smart choice. (I know this because that is a talking point always worked in no matter what the issue). But gee, even assuming the politicians are not driven by the squeal of politics (a dubious assumption at best), there is always the law of unintended consequences which even real smart politicians and liberal judges cannot overrule.
And why the rush? Sure a trivial matter like an $800 billion stimulus plan requires only a couple of hours to look over before voting on. But that doesn’t mean every agenda has to be on steroids.
So here’s a radical suggestion from a conservative type of guy. Before overhauling 15% (and growing) of our economy, how about taking serious time to debate and work through some incredibly complex issues? How about not demonizing any person or group that doesn’t agree? How about considering the views of the minority party (the post-partisan promise) even if their votes aren’t needed to support whatever plan is concocted? Conversely how about not blaming the minority party for every delay in implementing a legislative agenda when the majority party controls the House and has a filibuster-proof Senate?
Of course, that wouldn’t be business as usual in Washington. Yeah, I get it. It’s asking for leadership I can believe in. But hey, even I can have the audacity to hope.
Fred,
ReplyDeleteGreat to hear from you, as always! I largely agree with all the points you've made. The only speculation I would add is that there is some rush to pass reform now, because most Americans have wanted this for over a decade and they overwhelmingly voted for Democrats to make that happen, and the Democrats want to make it happen (finally) before the Republicans win back power, before the surge of public opinion is put back in its place by private industry, and before health costs ruin our country. Also, for 45 million uninsured people and for the families of the 18,000 dying each year due to lack of coverage, we have already spent "serious time" debating these issues.
On the other hand, I worry the insurance industry will manage to take advantage of the "rush" to kill public insurance, with the likely consequences I outlined above.
Freyguy, I can see that you were up late replying to my email so it’s only fair that I take it easy on you. But then again, why be fair.
ReplyDeleteI do appreciate that you agreed with me for one sentence. So let me return the favor by saying that I too want ‘something’ to be done. That said…
I don’t know where you got your statistic that most Americans have wanted this for over a decade (although knowing you, I’m sure you’ll tell me). But even if that’s true or might be true (according to how the question was worded and numerous other variables) it does not follow that Americans want Obamacare, or Pelosicare either for that matter
It is also news to me that people overwhelmingly voted for Democrats because they wanted healthcare reform. If that were true then it is illogical that the Democrats have to worry about rushing to get healthcare reform passed quickly. After all, if people really want it they will be even more anxious to vote for even more Democrats if nasty Republicans keep thwarting ‘the want’ of the people.
And how about this alternate explanation for why Democrats got voted in: Bush was wildly unpopular and the big spending Republicans gave their supporters little reason to support them. Then at election time it seemed like we might be heading for another Great Depression. I know that Obama supporters have trouble with this, but I strongly believe that the margin of victory came from fear and disgust rather than insight and inspiration.
I also wonder why you have so little faith in Obama’s communication skills. He has the bully pulpit, his party dominates Congress to a ridiculous degree and the mainline media loves him. If he can’t overcome disparate voices from the evil industry and convince the American people of the rightness of his cause then he has no business holding the highest office in the land.
As to people dying, that is always a tragedy. But thousand of people also die each year because the FDA waits to approve new therapies. Should the FDA just say forget about getting the facts; people are dying? If you rush because people are dying, you can wind up driving over the edge of a cliff.
I could go on, but how about this. Next time you are in Cincinnati and have nothing better to do (after all, what can one or even two do in Cincinnati) we can sit down over a couple of mineral waters and work out all the troubling details. I’d invite you over for beers, but that’s getting too cliché.
Fred, you are absolutely right: we should get together next time I am in Cincinnati.
ReplyDeleteYou know what? I'd like to hear the opinion of a certain daughter of yours on this blog. On any topic. That is, if she's not too busy lawyering it up.
-Freyguy